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∂28-JUN-74 1648 1,BH
Perhaps we could convince the A.P. that it's only TODAY'S news they
don't want network users to see? After all, the old stuff is in
newspapers already and their subscribers are no longer worried about
exclusive access to it.
∂28-JUN-74 1358 network site SRI
Date: 28 JUN 1974 1358-PDT
From: FIKES at SRI-AI
Subject: Cal Tech
To: jmc at SU-AI
I just got a call from a Dr. McCann at Cal Tech. He's looking for
faculty members and was asking if I was interested. I'm probably
not, but I don't like to close doors prematurely. It occurred to
me that there have been some loose rumors around that you
had shown some interest in going there. If that's true I would
like to talk with you about the situation there, what you think its
prospects are, what your interests are there, etc.
Also, he is having people visit down there at various times this
summer, combining interviewing with idea sharing. It seems that
Alan Kay and Ben Wegbreit plan to visit there the week of
July 22 (according to McCann) and he invited me to come down
at the same time. If you are interested in making a trip down
there for any reason and could go that week, we might end up with
an interesting group even if the Cal Tech people are duds.
Let me hear from you about this.
Rich
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∂23-JUN-74 0802 P,JRA
THANK YOU. IF EITHER YOU OR FLOYD WOULD LIKE TO SEE MY LATEST LISP NOTES
I WOULD BE GLAD TO OBLIGE.
∂22-JUN-74 0511 P,JRA
If this fall's CS206 class is large would you consider splitting it
into two sections and letting me teach one? I have taught such a course
at ucla and uc santa cruz and would enjoy doing so again.
∂21-JUN-74 1347 network site SRI
Date: 21 JUN 1974 1318-PDT
From: FIKES at SRI-AI
Subject: IJCAI4 Opinion
To: JMC at SU-AI, Mccarthy at ISI
John,
We are collecting opinion statements on the location of IJCAI4 for the
next issue of the SIGART Newsletter. I assume you have seen a copy
of Jack Minker's letter protesting USSR as a site. I have been getting
a fair amount of response (~25 letters)to his letter,
almost all in agreement with him. All of this will be included in
the next Newsletter and is being sent along to Pat Winston and Eric
Sandewall now for their comments.
I understand that you have put together a statement on this
matter, and if you would like for it to appear in the Newsletter then
send it to me. Sooner rather than later would be preferble, lthough
the final deadline for us receiving the material is July 15.
By the way, I understand from talking to the MITers that any decision
to move the conference to Boston must be made in the next couple of
weeks, so any opinions that are actually going to impact on that
decision should be sent to Pat now.
Hope to hear from you,
Rich
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∂17-JUN-74 0753 network site AI
HI
PERHAPS IT WOULD BE GOOD TO POLL A STATISTICAL SAMPLE OF
THE PARTICIPANTS OF THE LAST AI CONFERENCE SINCE THERE
SEEMS TO BE MOUNTING CONCERN. DO YOU AGREE? DO YOU HAVE
ANY COMMENTS ON THE FORM TENTATIVELY GIVEN BELOW? PLEASE
ACKNOWLEDGE RECEIPT AS I AM A NOVICE AT MAILING FILES.
THE FORTH INTERNATIONAL AI CONFERENCE IS PLANNED FOR
AUGUST <DATE> TO AUGUST <DATE> AT T<SUPPLY CORRECT SPELLING>,
IN THE SOVIET UNION.
AS BEFORE, THERE WILL BE BOTH SESSIONS FOR REVIEWED PAPERS
AND "FREE SESSIONS."
AS A PARTICIPANT IN THE LAST CONFERENCE,
WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWERS TO THE FOLLOWING
QUESTIONS FOR PLANNING PURPOSES:
0 DO YOU PLAN TO SUBMIT A PAPER
1 AS IT STANDS, WITH A PAPER DEADLINE OF OCTOBER 1, IS
THERE A BETTER THAN EVEN CHANCE THAT YOU WILL BE ATTENDING.
2 WOULD CHANGING THE PAPER DEADLINE TO, SAY, FEBRUARY 15 BE
PREREQUISITE FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE.
3 WOULD A CONFERENCE SITE IN ANOTHER SOVIET CITY SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE
YOUR CHANCES OF ATTENDING
4 WOULD SOME FORM OF FINANCIAL SUPPORT BE ESSENTIAL TO YOUR ATTENDANCE.
WITHOUT SUCH SUPPORT, THE COST MIGHT BE APPROXIMATELY X DOLLARS
NORMALLY, AND PERHAPS Y DOLLARS IF APPROPRIATE CHARTER ARRANGEMENTS
CAN BE MADE.
β ββ
∂14-JUN-74 0532 network site BBN
Date: 14 JUN 1974 0832-EDT
From: LICKLIDER at BBN-TENEX
Subject: Meeting to Discuss Long-Term Support of Computer Research +
To: Fredkin.MAC at MIT-MULTICS, JMC at SU-AI, MM at MIT-AI,
To: A310AN02 at CMU-10A, Uncapher at ISI
cc: Licklider
Having talked with Fredkin, Newell, and Uncapher but had
trouble reaching McCarthy and Minsky by phone, let me try this
illustrious medium.
I am wanting to meet with you for several hours to discuss
issues that have formed in my mind these five months in ARPA. They
are not immediate or pressing matters, but I think they are important
and warrant our getting together. They could be discussed at the
meeting of AI and AP PIs that I am trying to put together and that
involves all of you but Marvin (and could, of course, involve him
too, as well as Pat Winston), but I am working on the theory that
the six of us could well spend a few hours on long-term trends and
what to do about them. Would you
(who have not already told me, or whose commitments have
changed) please send me a list of your free days in July---if, of
course, you agree that we should get together.
Ed, there is no net address for Marvin in the Directory, and
I've forgotten whether or not 'MM' is correct. If it is not, would
you please give/show him your copy of this?
Regards
Lick
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∂14-JUN-74 0512 network site BBN
Date: 14 JUN 1974 0812-EDT
From: LICKLIDER at BBN-TENEX
Subject: Apportionment Continuation
To: HART at SRI-AI, MCCARTHY at ISI, JMC at SU-AI,
To: A310AN02 at CMU-10A, PHW at MIT-AI, Amarel at BBN,
To: Cheatham at ISI, Fredkin.MAC at MIT-MULTICS, Uncapher at ISI
cc: Licklider
The continuation of IPTO's Apportionment is now
scheduled for next Wednesday. I'll let you know how it came out
as soon as the exercise is finished.
As I indicated in an earlier note, we should get together,
the two groups of PIs and I, for a full discussion of the state
of things in ARPA and in the contracts and of the pressures that exist,
and their implications and the best responses to them. If it turns
out not to be possible for us to meet as a group, I can talk with
you individually, but I think it is worthwhile to try to get us all
together. If you would, each, send me a list of his free days
in July, after the 4th, I would find the commonalities, if any, and
propose them as meeting dates. To expedite the matter, please respond
by June 18th if you can.
To those of you who have suggested names of potential PMs
for IPTO, thanks for the help. To all of you, IPTO has 3 or possibly
4 slots for Program Managers, and suggestions are welcome/requested.
Regards
Lick
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∂13-JUN-74 1011 1,KNM
PHONE MESSAGE: 13 June 9:45 Leonard Rosen of the Physics Dept. of Dartmouth
phone and will ring you back-kasee
∂13-JUN-74 0352 network site BBN
Date: 13 JUN 1974 0651-EDT
From: LICKLIDER at BBN-TENEX
Subject: Apportionment
To: HART at SRI-AI, MCCARTHY at ISI, JMC at SU-AI,
To: A310AN02 at CMU-10A, PHW at MIT-AI, Amarel at BBN,
To: Cheatham at ISI, Fredkin.MAC at MIT-MULTICS, McCarthy at ISI,
To: JMC at SU-AI, A310AN02 at CMU-10A, Uncapher at ISI
cc: Licklider
The first half of IPTO's Apportionment meeting with
Lukasik and Tachmindji was completed yesterday afternoon. The
meeting went well. The continuation of the meeting has
not yet been scheduled. It is unlikely that it will be this week.
I tell you this so you will not be expecting a report this week
or early next.
At this point, I cannot say anything definite about
the state of IPTO's funds beyond the fact, which you know, that
they are tight. The main basic observation is that there is strong
pressure on the AP project, resulting from congressional guidance,
to come up with some definite, tangible results by December. That
timing is dictated by preparation of testimony to congressional
committees next year. The pressure should not misdirect parts of the
program that are working on long-term objectives of such a nature that
nothing really significant and also definite and tangible could be
achieved by December anyway, but parts that have a good chance of
producing congressional 'bullets' by that date should be redirected
to produce such results. The pressure on AI is less immediate than
the pressure on AP, but there is definite pressure to show definitely
applicable results on some problems of critical interest to DoD.
As soon as Apportionment is finished, I'll discuss these
matters with you in depth. As of this time, I am happy that
the IPTO program has gotten into such shape that it is looking
pretty good to ARPA Hq., and I am hopeful that my concentration on that
aspect of the ovep-all situation has not made it look too bad to you.
I think the most significant factors affecting IPTO and
its program now are congressional insistence on 'pertinence to
uniquely DoD problems' and ARPA Hq. demand for a tighter, tidier,
more explicitly managed ship. ARPA Hq. and everyone else in the
loop, all the way to Congress, seems to recognize that the
basic research in the IPTO program is excellent and that much of
the exploratory development, especially that related to the network,
has great potential.
I look forward to discussing these matters fully with you.
Regards
Lick
P.S.: If you get too many copies of this, please forgive me. I am
concatenating two lists to make the addresee list. I'll eliminate
the duplications before using the <control-b> technique on overlapping
lists again. (Surely, by now, the program should eliminate the
duplicates.) Lick
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∂13-JUN-74 0350 network site BBN
Date: 13 JUN 1974 0649-EDT
From: LICKLIDER at BBN-TENEX
Subject: Apportionment
To: HART at SRI-AI, MCCARTHY at ISI, JMC at SU-AI,
To: A310AN02 at CMU-10A, PHW at MIT-AI, Amarel at BBN,
To: Cheatham at ISI, Fredkin.MAC at MIT-MULTICS,
To: McCarthy at ISI, JMC at SU-AI, A310AN02 at CMU-10A,
To: Uncapher at ISI
cc: Licklider
The first half of IPTO's Apportionment meeting with
Lukasik and Tachmindji was completed yesterday afternoon. The
meeting went well. The continuation of the meeting has
not yet been scheduled. It is unlikely that it will be this week.
I tell you this so you will not be expecting a report this week
or early next.
At this point, I cannot say anything definite about
the state of IPTO's funds beyond the fact, which you know, that
they are tight. The main basic observation is that there is strong
pressure on the AP project, resulting from congressional guidance,
to come up with some definite, tangible results by December. That
timing is dictated by preparation of testimony to congressional
committees next year. The pressure should not misdirect parts of the
program that are working on long-term objectives of such a nature that
nothing really significant and also definite and tangible could be
achieved by December anyway, but parts that have a good chance of
producing congressional 'bullets' by that date should be redirected
to produce such results. The pressure on AI is less immediate than
the pressure on AP, but there is definite pressure to show definitely
applicable results on some problems of critical interest to DoD.
As soon as Apportionment is finished, I'll discuss these
matters with you in depth. As of this time, I am happy that
the IPTO program has gotten into such shape that it is looking
pretty good to ARPA Hq., and I am hopeful that my concentration on that
aspect of the ovep-all situation has not made it look too bad to you.
I think the most significant factors affecting IPTO and
its program now are congressional insistence on 'pertinence to
uniquely DoD problems' and ARPA Hq. demand for a tighter, tidier,
more explicitly managed ship. ARPA Hq. and everyone else in the
loop, all the way to Congress, seems to recognize that the
basic research in the IPTO program is excellent and that much of
the exploratory development, especially that related to the network,
has great potential.
I look forward to discussing these matters fully with you.
Regards
Lick
P.S.: If you get too many copies of this, please forgive me. I am
concatenating two lists to make the addresee list. I'll eliminate
the duplications before using the <control-b> technique on overlapping
lists again. (Surely, by now, the program should eliminate the
duplicates.) Lick
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∂13-JUN-74 0307 APG,DCL
John--whats the status of the aplication for my SRA?-David
∂12-JUN-74 1724 ACT,REG
I remind you once again that a policy defining how much news is kept
is required. Presently, [NS,SYS] occupies more than 2300 K words, representing
more than 2.8% of the entire disk. Moreover, we are running short of disk
space.
If you cannot formulate a decision, I shall have to. You may not like mine.
∂12-JUN-74 1647 1,KNM
guynn perry needs a grade from you for Jerrold Ginsparg's 4 units of CS390
∂12-JUN-74 1144 1,KNM
PHONE MESSAGE 12 june 11:45--prof. northouse of wisconsin u phoned would like
you to call him back before 1:45 at (414) 963-5184 after at (414) 351-1134.
∂12-JUN-74 0419 network site BBN
Date: 12 JUN 1974 0715-EDT
From: LICKLIDER at BBN-TENEX
Subject: My Present Preoccupation
To: HART at ISI, HART at SU-AI, MCCARTHY at ISI, JMC at SU-AI,
To: A310AN02 at CMU-10A, PHW at MIT-AI, Amarel at BBN,
To: Cheatham at ISI, Fredkin.MAC at MIT-MULTICS,
To: McCarthy at ISI, JMC at SU-AI, A310AN02 at CMU-10A,
To: Uncapher at ISI
cc: Licklider
You may have been concerned about my (or IPTO's) recent
apparent quiescence or nonresponsiveness. What has been
going on has been preparation for the annual ARPA-wide
fund-redistribution exercise called 'Apportionment'. Our meeting
with Lukasik and Tachmindji begins today. When it is finished,
hopefully this week, we shall know pretty well where we stand
with respect to funds for FY75 and prospects for new programs in
FY76. I'll emerge from preoccupation with
Apportionment this week-end.
Regards
Lick
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∂12-JUN-74 1111 1,KNM
PHONE MESSAGE 12 june 11:10--Thomas Lang, who is planning to take the CS minor
exam from you, wants to know if you will be available for the exam the last week
in june. phone him at 71168.
REMINDER: Academic Council Meeting today at 2:00 in Polya 204
∂11-JUN-74 1656 ACT,REG
I protest the continued modification of hardware while the system is up.
Today Joe stopped the PDP-6 for some purpose, and now WHO doesn't run,
the PDP-6 console tty doesn't work, and the system clock is 34 minutes
fast.
∂11-JUN-74 1336 CAR,HPM
Cart meeting will be at 10 am tomorrow (WEDNESDAY) in the conference room
∂11-JUN-74 1158 1,KNM
the expense report for washington trip has gone into nbs, how do you want me
to bill ibm for the rest of the trip? also who shall we bill for last junket?
tradewinds should be paid this week-kasee
∂10-JUN-74 1548 CAR,HPM
Re cart meeting: how about Wednesday morning in an as yet undetermined location
∂10-JUN-74 0602 SAI,BGB AT TTY22 0602
I SPOKE TO BERNIE CHERN AGAIN THIS MORNING; AND HE WANTS THE BUDGET
BROUGHT DOWN TO $ 19,800 AND THE TECHNICAL WRITEUP MODIFIED SLIGHTLY;
∂03-JUN-74 2357 1,DEW
I missed you before you left. I would like to talk to you both about
chess and summer assistantships. I am planning to leave next week to
visit my parents in Iowa for about a week. I'll try to catch you Friday,
it would be nice to know if I had a job before I left. If I miss you,
perhaps you could let me know by phone,
my parents phone number is 515-628-3651. Thanx, Dave
∂05-JUN-74 1218 1,PJH
HI JOHN, I NOW HAVE STANFORD MANUALS. I WILL SEND SOME AXIOMS
ABOUT SUBSTANCES AND THINGS IN ABOUT A WEEK. THE NET LINK HERE
IS GOING DOWN THAT LONG FOR MAINTENANCE BUT WILL BE SOON
RESTORED THANKS TO ALL MY GUARDIAN ANGELS. PAT HAYES, PHD!
∂02-JUN-74 1242 NET,GUE AT TTY124 : edie @ network site UCSB
Corey Cole at UCSB
Is it imposible to get the AP news over ARPA; I get the message that
I have made som kind of protection violation. Don't we get to read the news too?
I would greatly appreciate having network guests be allowed to run news.
elp!!
∂30-MAY-74 0819 network site AI
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05/30/74 11:16:16
From: PHW@MIT-AI
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DISASTER HAS STRUCK. I LEARNED TODAY FROM CORDELL GREEN
THAT THE AI CONFERENCE AND THE JAPAN-US COMPUTER CONFERENCE
TOTALLY OVERLAP DURING AUGUST 25-29, 1975. THE US-JAPAN
THING IS WELL ALONG WITH HALLS RENTED, ETC. FOR THE AI CONFERENCE
NOTICES HAVE JUST BEEN SENT OUT TO JOURNALS ETC ABOUT A WEEK OR SO
AGO. BOTH CONFERENCES EXPECT ABOUT 200 - 300 FOREIGN GUESTS. THE
QUESTION IS THIS: IS THE OVERLAP LIKELY TO SERIOUSLY HURT EITER
CONFERENCE AND SHOULD WE ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THE AI DATES IN CONSEQUENCE.
I WOULD LIKE YOUR ADVISE, IF ANY, BEFORE I CALL SANDEWALL THIS AFTERNOON.